Black on Black Murder is less likely than White on White Murder

The term Black on Black murder and violence is regularly used to indicate a downward spiral of violent crime within Black communities across the UK.
It is one of those fear inducing emotive terms that has widespread acceptance, is linked to the condemnation of young Black men and has bitter aftertaste of racism contained within it.

But it has always been members of your own community who are most likely to be violent towards you, it doesn’t matter whether you are Black, White or Asian. Data released on murders within England and Wales over the last 3 years (2008 to 2011) confirms that it is White people who are most likely to be killing White people, and that Black on Black murder or Asian on Asian murder is less likely than White on White murders.

Table of Murder Victims Ethnic Appearance against Murder Suspects Ethnic Appearance – Murders from 2008 to 2011



WHITE Suspect
percentage
BLACK Suspect
percentage
ASIAN Suspect
percentage
Other Suspect
percentage
not-recorded
percentage
WHITE Victim
1232 cases
85% 5 2 3 6
BLACK Victim
164 cases
13 72% 3 9 3
ASIAN Victim
134 cases
19 10 56% 7 8

(data is for murder and homicides from 1st April 2008 to end of March 2011 – source Home Office)



This table demonstrates that for murders/ homicides between 2008 and 2011 where the ethnic appearance of both the victim and suspect is known: White on White murders occurred 85 percent of the time, Black on Black murders occurred 72% of the time, and Asian on Asian murders occurred 56% of the time.
You are least likely to be killed by someone from another race (ethnic appearance) if you are White and quite likely to be killed by someone from a different race if you are Asian.

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14 Responses to Black on Black Murder is less likely than White on White Murder

  1. Patrick Medden says:

    Congratulations for providing the myth busting data on Black on Black murder. Irrefutable information that the urban myth of Black intra community violence being worse than other communities is absolutely nonsense. That White on White murder is more prevalent than Black on Black murder is something absent from mainstream media or right wing conversation.
    Many thanks, I think Black representatives should read this and stop themselves from repeating what is clearly an inaccurate and harmful fallacy about Black people in the UK.

    • Philip says:

      Did you actually examine the table? Thought not.
      The table demonstrates that 10.7% (164) of all murder victims were black.
      Of these 72% were murdered by blacks.
      This means 118 black people were murdered by blacks.
      118 is 7.7% of the total murder victims (1532)
      This means blacks are being murdered at nearly three times their percentage of the population (2.81%) by other blacks.

      The table also demonstrates that 80.5% (1232) of murder victims were white.
      Of these 85% were murdered by whites.
      This means 1047 white people were murdered by whites.
      1047 is 68.4% of the total murder victims.
      This means whites are being murdered at less than their percentage of the population (83%) by other whites.

      Conclusion: Clearly if you are black person you are much more likely to be a victim of a black murderer than a white person being the victim of a white murderer. I think Black representatives should read this and take note.

      Disclaimer: I used CitizensReport figures of white British 83% and blacks 2.81%, they are not my figures.

      • Patrick Medden says:

        Why are Scottish murder rates almost double that of England and Wales. Why does Finland have the highest murder rate in Europe. Do you think these marked differences are a matter of culture, lifestyle or of race?
        Some Sth American countries have the highest murder rates in the world followed by parts of Africa. East Asian countries like Japan and China have the lowest. Is that a race issue? And if it is, does that mean that East Asians are better or superior to Europeans, and Sth Americans the worst.

        Do you see how silly your analysis becomes when you try and pin things down to a single factor like ethnic appearance rather than the range of contributory factors.

        ———————————————————————————

        From Home Office: Of the 2,007 homicides recorded by police in the three-year period ending March 2010,
        75 per cent of victims were White (1,512 homicides)
        12 per cent were Black (236)
        eight per cent were Asian (155)
        three per cent were of Other minority ethnic groups (68)
        the ethnicity of two per cent of victims was not recorded (36 homicides).

        That is a lot of people murdered over three years. The massive majority of which are white on white murders but yes that is clearly because England and Wales are predominantly white. The majority of Black victims were in metropolitan areas of London, Manchester and Birmingham. And while they may be only 2.3% of the British population overall they represent a larger proportion of these three large cities. In London over 10% of population and in some parts of the inner cities over a third of the population.

        Overall rates per million show that the number of Black homicides are very high compared to their population. With a homicide rate per million of 11 for White victims, 54 for Black victims and 18 for Asian victims. We are not in disagreement on the rate of murder in Black communities being too high, but it does sound to me that we would probably disagree on what the factors related to that are about or symptomatic of.

        • Philip says:

          “Do you see how silly your analysis becomes when you try and pin things down to a single factor like ethnic appearance rather than the range of contributory factors.”

          My analyis is simply a reply to the title of this page that Black on Black Murder is less likely than White on White Murder.

          This page clearly deals with ethnic appearance, it erroneously claims Black on Black Murder is less likely than White on White Murder.

          As the above statistics demonstrate, blacks are being murdered at nearly three times their percentage of the population by other blacks whereas whites are being murdered at less than their percentage of the population by other whites.

          Clearly if you are black person you are much more likely to be a victim of a black murderer than a white person being the victim of a white murderer.

          As for the other points you made, they clearly are not within the remit of this page nor have I touched upon them, this page simply concerns the untruth that Black on Black Murder is less likely than White on White Murder in the UK.

  2. Teresa N says:

    If Black on Black murder in England is less likely than white on white murder why have it always been made out that Black on Black murder is such a big problem needing a specialist police response. Why have Black communities been made to feel so guilty about this issue.
    Very useful information, thank you!

    • MD says:

      Teresa I think there is a constant background noise of fear and loathing when it comes to reporting violent crime issues as they relate to the Black community. Even from within the Black community some things are taken as truths when they are in fact a continuous stream of misinformation coming from either rightwing and /or misinformed media sources.
      Unpicking the facts can be difficult and sometimes Black communities buy into these lies hoping that resources will be forthcoming from government to help develop services or interventions.
      The information has always been out there in relation to Black on Black murders and White on White murders but it just doesn’t sell newspapers or promote a right wing politicians career to say that White people killing White people is a great concern in the UK, which is actually the highest number and proportion of murders.

  3. col says:

    What a ridiculous article, maybe you should take into consideration the demographics of the country. Black people being the perpetrators 73% of the time within a population of only 2% of the whole country is appalling. Considering this country is 90% white I am very surprised the white perpetration rate on other races is so low. Lets be frank, if the UK was completely black our murder rate would be many times higher.

    • You may be misunderstanding the data presented. It doesn’t say Black people are the perpetrators of all murders 72% of the time. Rather that the majority of people murdered are white and that their murderers are also white.

      Of the homicides recorded in England and Wales over the three years 2007 to 2010:
      75% of victims were White (1,512 homicides), of which 85% of the suspects were White where the suspect is known.
      12% were Black (236) of which 72% of the suspects were Black where the suspect is known.
      8% were Asian (155) of which 56% of the suspects were Asian where the suspect is known.

      3% were of Other minority ethnic groups (68).
      2% of victims ethnicity was not recorded (36 homicides).

      Based on the population census for England and Wales.
      83.35% are White British
      5.87 % are of Asian heritage
      2.81% are Black
      1.8% Mixed heritage
      0.82% Chinese

  4. Mike says:

    Since the population of England and Wales is approximately 91% white and 2% black (2003), isn’t it rather obvious that there would be more white on white murders? It’s the proportion of black on black murder in what is a relatively small community that’s the issue.

    http://news.bbc.co.u…/uk/2756041.stm

    If black on black murders comprise 13% of the total (according to this article), yet black people only comprise 2% of the population, then there’s clearly a problem! I’m afraid this article deals in the statistics of denial.

    • Lies, damn lies and statistics. Statistics are tools to demonstrate a particular view or position and one person will concentrate on one set of statistical information and another person will fix on a different set of information.
      The article was to written to challenge the view that intra-racial murders such as Black on Black murder is anything particularly different from White on White murders. It also undermines the view that inter-racial murders (murder between different races) are particularly prevalent unless you are of UK Asian heritage, where you chances of being murdered by a person from a different race/ nationality is quite high.

      The number of Black murders and serious violence is most definitely disproportionate high as a measure of population and there is a London analysis on this site that demonstrates this.

      A national perspective like that provided by the British Murders 2011 and 2012 page provides a far more balanced view about where the victimisation occurs and who are the victims.

      • Cris says:

        Its almost the same thing in the U.S. as far as the HYSTERIA of marauding Blacks. The per capita stats are what racist love to rely on, but in truth, Whites kill Whites 85% of the time according to the Dept. of Justice, and Blacks kill other Blacks 93% of the time. Both have nearly the same number of homicides, but the Blacks make up only 13% of the population. That’s where the problem lies. The truth is that while Blacks committed over 5,000 murders(ass did Whites), 39,994,500 of 40,000,000 people did not kill ANYONE

        • Cris says:

          Oh and let me add as someone who knows the criminal justice system inside out, the 15% of Whites who are killed by Blacks usually happen in the commission of the robbery of a person, business, or drug deal(where WHITE addicts go to buy drugs in the BLACK community) gone bad. There are no high percentage of Blacks going into predominantly White communities killing White people.

  5. Steve says:

    “Data released on murders within England and Wales over the last 3 years (2008 to 2011) confirms that it is White people who are most likely to be killing White people, and that Black on Black murder or Asian on Asian murder is less likely than White on White murders.”

    In absolute numbers yes, as you would expect from a country that is majority white. But in terms of homicide rates per 100,000, black on black murder is indeed more likely. In other words ,if you are black you are more likely to be murdered because the black community has higher murder rates. See Philip’s analysis above.

    • Arthur J says:

      I think people are missing the point of the article. I think it was written to destabilise idea that there is a massive black on black murder problem. The murder numbers are small, overall 164 people over 3 years, that is around 53 people a year, certainly not enough victims for hysteria in the media.
      The majority of the black community reside within urban areas, particularly London, Birmingham etc, so a British rate per thousand probably is inappropriate. But all of this doesn’t detract from our understanding that whether you are black, white or asian. The person who is most likely to be your murderer is also most likely to be of your own race/ colour. I may be wrong but I think that was the point of the article.

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